Northam, Gillespie unite against hate, spar over statues, the economy

MCLEAN, Va. — The second debate between the candidates running for Virginia governor was dominated by their plans to improve the state’s economy, but in the wake of Charlottesville, race and the fates of the state’s many Confederate monuments were also front and center. 

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During a civil but energetic debate, Republican Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, saved their sharpest words for the white supremacists whose Aug. 12 rally turned deadly.

Gillespie said such groups are not on part of any legitimate political philosophy, calling their “twisted mindset rooted in hate.”

He said such views are “evil we must reject. And as governor, I will.”

The comments are similar to statements he’s made in the wake of the violent confrontation.

Gillespie also reiterated his view that the statues erected in the decades after the Civil War should remain in place, but with proper historical context. He also called for more statues to celebrate newer civic leaders like former Gov. Doug Wilder, the first black governor elected in any state.

WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidates Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam shake hands at the end of their debate in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
Gubernatorial candidates Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam shake hands at the end of their debate on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidates Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam and Ed Gillespie shake hands prior to debate in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
Gubernatorial candidates Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam and Ed Gillespie shake hands before the debate on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidate Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam describes his view on confederate monuments in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
Gubernatorial candidate Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam describes his view on Confederate monuments during the debate on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidate Ed Gillespie describes his views on confederate monuments in Washington , DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
Gubernatorial candidate Ed Gillespie describes his views on Confederate monuments during the debate on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Moderator Chuck Todd, right, motions for time during the gubernatorial debate between Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
Moderator Chuck Todd, right, motions for time during the gubernatorial debate between Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial debate between Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam in Washington , DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
During the gubernatorial debate between Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidates Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam joke during a commercial break for their debate in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
Gubernatorial candidates Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam joke during a commercial break for their debate on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, center, during his walk-through for tonight's Gubernatorial debate between himself and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, center, during his walk-through for the gubernatorial debate between himself and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on Sept. 19, 2017 in McLean, Virginia. (Pool Photo by Bill O’Leary/The Washington Post) (The Washington Post/Bill O'Leary)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, greet each other before the start of the Gubernatorial debate on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, greet each other before the start of the gubernatorial debate on Sept. 19, 2017 in McLean, Virginia. (Pool Photo by Bill O’Leary/The Washington Post) (The Washington Post/Bill O'Leary)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
The panel for tonight's gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA. From left are Mark J. Rozell, Aaron Gilchrist, and Julie Carey.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
The panel for the gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on Sept. 19, 2017 in McLean, Virginia. From left are Mark J. Rozell, Aaron Gilchrist and Julie Carey. (Pool Photo by Bill O’Leary/The Washington Post) (The Washington Post/Bill O'Leary)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, moderated by NBC newsman Chuck Todd, right, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
During the gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, moderated by NBC’s Chuck Todd, right, on Sept. 19, 2017 in McLean, Virginia. (Pool Photo by Bill O’Leary/The Washington Post) (The Washington Post/Bill O'Leary)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
During the gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on Sept. 19, 2017 in McLean, Virginia. (Pool Photo by Bill O’Leary/The Washington Post) (The Washington Post/Bill O'Leary)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19: Republican candidate Ed Gillespie makes his opening statement during his debate with Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie makes his opening statement during his debate with Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on Sept. 19, 2017 in McLean, Virginia. (Pool Photo by Bill O’Leary/The Washington Post) (The Washington Post/Bill O'Leary)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, greet each other before the start of the Gubernatorial debate on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, greet each other before the start of the gubernatorial debate on Sept. 19, 2017 in McLean, Virginia. (Pool Photo by Bill O’Leary/The Washington Post) (The Washington Post/Bill O'Leary)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidate Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam mingles following a debate with Ed Gillespie in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
Gubernatorial candidate Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam mingles following a debate with Ed Gillespie on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, center, runs into modertator Chuck Todd, right, during his walk-through before tonight's Gubernatorial debate between himself and Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, center, runs into moderator Chuck Todd, right, during his walk-through before the gubernatorial debate between himself and Republican candidate Ed Gillespie on Sept. 19, 2017 in McLean, Virginia. (Pool Photo by Bill O’Leary/The Washington Post) (The Washington Post/Bill O'Leary)
Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam stand together prior to their second debate in McLean, Virginia on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam before the gubernatorial debate on Sept. 19, 2017. (Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post) (Washington Post/Bonnie Jo Mount)
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WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidates Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam shake hands at the end of their debate in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidates Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam and Ed Gillespie shake hands prior to debate in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidate Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam describes his view on confederate monuments in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidate Ed Gillespie describes his views on confederate monuments in Washington , DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Moderator Chuck Todd, right, motions for time during the gubernatorial debate between Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial debate between Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam in Washington , DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidates Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam joke during a commercial break for their debate in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, center, during his walk-through for tonight's Gubernatorial debate between himself and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, greet each other before the start of the Gubernatorial debate on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
The panel for tonight's gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA. From left are Mark J. Rozell, Aaron Gilchrist, and Julie Carey.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, moderated by NBC newsman Chuck Todd, right, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19: Republican candidate Ed Gillespie makes his opening statement during his debate with Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, left, and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, Democrat, greet each other before the start of the Gubernatorial debate on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
WASHINGTON , DC - SEPTEMBER 19: Gubernatorial candidate Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam mingles following a debate with Ed Gillespie in Washington, DC on September 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)
MCLEAN, VA - SEPTEMBER 19:
Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, center, runs into modertator Chuck Todd, right, during his walk-through before tonight's Gubernatorial debate between himself and Republican candidate Ed Gillespie, on September, 19, 2017 in McLean, VA.
(Pool Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)
Ed Gillespie and Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam stand together prior to their second debate in McLean, Virginia on Sept. 19, 2017. (Pool Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post)

Northam said such memorials allow groups like those who rallied in Charlottesville to “spew hatred and bigotry.” And although he would leave the decision to local communities to determine their future, he said he would prefer they would be relocated to museums.

He said allowing communities to discuss what the statues and figures mean and what legacy they intended also gives the state a chance to breathe after last month’s violence.

Both candidates were running a tight race in the run up to the second of three debates. The Northern Virginia Chamber of Commerce and the Schar School of Policy and Government at George Mason University organized the event, which was broadcast on NBC affiliates statewide.

Libertarian candidate Cliff Hyra attended but did not participate in the debate.

The race is the first major election in the year since President Donald Trump won office, and it is considered an early barometer of his presidency.

Northam said he was willing to work with Trump on expanding shipbuilding and protecting Naval Station Norfolk, and to end sequestration. But he tried to link his opponent to several of Trump’s policies that Northam attacked, including the travel ban and the end of an Obama-era program that allowed immigrants who came to the United States illegally as children to stay and work.

“Pulling away from the Paris accord … Ed supports that as well — very detrimental to Virginia,” he said.

Gillespie has tried to sidestep Trump and run his own race. He told Republican voters, many of whom are still angry over the results of last November’s election, to look at his policies — all 17 of them are detailed on his website. And he pledged to serve all Virginians if elected.

“I believe that when people in Northern Virginia look at my policies and how they will address our concerns — I’m from Northern Virginia; I know those concerns personally — they’ll find it easy to vote for me in November.”

Here’s video of their opening statements from WTOP’s TV news partner, NBC Washington.

Metro

Both men pledged to save Metro but neither is willing, at this point, to pony up more money for the ailing transit system. Neither would say whether they would take Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan up on his suggestion that all four jurisdictions — Maryland, Virginia, D.C. and the federal government — give the system an extra $500 million over the next four years to give leaders time to make systemic changes needed to improve governance, safety and reliability.

Gillespie, who said he rides Metro, called it critically important. “We need to save Metro.”

But also said, “I’m not willing to say at this point that Virginia should increase taxes to come up with that revenue.”

Both said they are hoping that former Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood’s final report to Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe provides answers on a path forward.

Although Northam said he won’t spend more money until the system’s challenges of safety and reliability are fixed, he said he would work with lawmakers in Richmond to make sure they understand how important Metro is, not just to Northern Virginia but to the whole state, comparing it to the Port of Virginia in Hampton Roads.

Convincing state legislators — who have historically shied away from raising taxes to pay for transportation — to support new funding for Metro will be a major hurdle for Virginia’s next governor.

Gillespie has attacked Northam for voting while in the Senate for a 2013 transportation package that increased the state sales tax, among other tax changes, and has pumped millions of new funding into state transportation programs. The law also gave Northern Virginia and Hampton Roads the ability to leverage some tax dollars for regional projects.

Economy

Northam defended the state’s economy. He said since the McAuliffe administration took the helm, unemployment has dropped statewide to 3.8 percent.

But Gillespie decried what he described as the state’s anemic economic growth that’s led to Virginians leaving to seek jobs elsewhere.

He said Virginia must make it easier for existing small companies to grow and to stop focusing its economic development hopes on large employers, like Amazon, which is currently searching for the home of its new East Coast headquarters and bringing 50,000 jobs with it.

Northam chastised Gillespie for painting such a dour portrait of the state’s economy.

“Amazon doesn’t want to hear about how poorly Virginia is doing.”

His economic plan focuses on expanding workforce training, modernizing public school curriculum to focus on science and technology, and to continue to build the state’s energy production – especially wind and solar power.


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