Q&A: Sara Bareilles shares ingredients of ‘Waitress’ tour at National Theatre

Sara Bareilles presents "Waitress." (Josh Lehrer)
Sara Bareilles presents “Waitress.” (Josh Lehrer)
Sara Bareilles does “Cast Album Karaoke” with audience members at National Theatre in Washington D.C. (Courtesy National Theatre)
In this Nov. 3, 2015 photo, musician Sara Bareilles poses for a portrait in New York. The singer-songwriter of hits like "Brave" and "Love Song" has changed gears entirely to write eclectic music for the Broadway-bound stage musical "Waitress." (Photo by Victoria Will/Invision/AP)
In this Nov. 3, 2015 photo, musician Sara Bareilles poses for a portrait in New York. The singer-songwriter of hits like “Brave” and “Love Song” has changed gears entirely to write eclectic music for the Broadway-bound stage musical “Waitress.” (Photo by Victoria Will/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the Oscars on Sunday, Feb. 26, 2017, at the Dolby Theatre in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the Oscars on Sunday, Feb. 26, 2017, at the Dolby Theatre in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles, left, and John Legend attend Tribeca Talks with John Legend during the 2018 Tribeca Film Festival at the SVA Theatre on Thursday, April 19, 2018, in New York. (Photo by Evan Agostini/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles, left, and John Legend attend Tribeca Talks with John Legend during the 2018 Tribeca Film Festival at the SVA Theatre on Thursday, April 19, 2018, in New York. (Photo by Evan Agostini/Invision/AP)
Actors Brandon Victor Dixon, left, and Sara Bareilles participate in NBC's Jesus Christ Superstar Live in Concert press junket at the Church of St. Paul the Apostle on Tuesday, Feb. 27, 2018, in New York. (Photo by Evan Agostini/Invision/AP)
Actors Brandon Victor Dixon, left, and Sara Bareilles participate in NBC’s Jesus Christ Superstar Live in Concert press junket at the Church of St. Paul the Apostle on Tuesday, Feb. 27, 2018, in New York. (Photo by Evan Agostini/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the Los Angeles premiere of "Battle of the Sexes" on Saturday, Sept. 16, 2017 in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the Los Angeles premiere of “Battle of the Sexes” on Saturday, Sept. 16, 2017 in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Under a pink stage light, singer Sara Bareilles performs her song, "Brave," for President Barack Obama, first lady Michelle Obama, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, in the State Dining Room of the White House in Washington, Thursday, March 10, 2016, after a State Dinner. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)
Under a pink stage light, singer Sara Bareilles performs her song, “Brave,” for President Barack Obama, first lady Michelle Obama, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, in the State Dining Room of the White House in Washington, Thursday, March 10, 2016, after a State Dinner. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)
Sara Bareilles performs during the Little Black Dress Tour 2014 at the Seminole Casinos Hard Rock Live on July 25, 2014 in Hollywood, Florida.  (Photo by (Photo Jeff Daly/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles performs during the Little Black Dress Tour 2014 at the Seminole Casinos Hard Rock Live on July 25, 2014 in Hollywood, Florida. (Photo by (Photo Jeff Daly/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles performs on NBC's "Today" show on Friday, June 6, 2014 in New York. (Photo by Charles Sykes/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles performs on NBC’s “Today” show on Friday, June 6, 2014 in New York. (Photo by Charles Sykes/Invision/AP)
Carole King, left, and Sara Bareilles speak on stage at the 56th annual GRAMMY Awards at Staples Center on Sunday, Jan. 26, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Matt Sayles/Invision/AP)
Carole King, left, and Sara Bareilles speak on stage at the 56th annual GRAMMY Awards at Staples Center on Sunday, Jan. 26, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Matt Sayles/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles performs “Brave” on stage at the 40th annual People's Choice Awards at the Nokia Theatre L.A. Live on Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles performs “Brave” on stage at the 40th annual People’s Choice Awards at the Nokia Theatre L.A. Live on Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 53rd annual Grammy Awards on Sunday, Feb. 13, 2011, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Chris Pizzello)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 53rd annual Grammy Awards on Sunday, Feb. 13, 2011, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Chris Pizzello)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 56th annual GRAMMY Awards at Staples Center on Sunday, Jan. 26, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 56th annual GRAMMY Awards at Staples Center on Sunday, Jan. 26, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 51st Annual Grammy Awards on Sunday, Feb. 8, 2009, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Chris Pizzello)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 51st Annual Grammy Awards on Sunday, Feb. 8, 2009, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Chris Pizzello)
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Sara Bareilles presents "Waitress." (Josh Lehrer)
In this Nov. 3, 2015 photo, musician Sara Bareilles poses for a portrait in New York. The singer-songwriter of hits like "Brave" and "Love Song" has changed gears entirely to write eclectic music for the Broadway-bound stage musical "Waitress." (Photo by Victoria Will/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the Oscars on Sunday, Feb. 26, 2017, at the Dolby Theatre in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles, left, and John Legend attend Tribeca Talks with John Legend during the 2018 Tribeca Film Festival at the SVA Theatre on Thursday, April 19, 2018, in New York. (Photo by Evan Agostini/Invision/AP)
Actors Brandon Victor Dixon, left, and Sara Bareilles participate in NBC's Jesus Christ Superstar Live in Concert press junket at the Church of St. Paul the Apostle on Tuesday, Feb. 27, 2018, in New York. (Photo by Evan Agostini/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the Los Angeles premiere of "Battle of the Sexes" on Saturday, Sept. 16, 2017 in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Under a pink stage light, singer Sara Bareilles performs her song, "Brave," for President Barack Obama, first lady Michelle Obama, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, in the State Dining Room of the White House in Washington, Thursday, March 10, 2016, after a State Dinner. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)
Sara Bareilles performs during the Little Black Dress Tour 2014 at the Seminole Casinos Hard Rock Live on July 25, 2014 in Hollywood, Florida.  (Photo by (Photo Jeff Daly/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles performs on NBC's "Today" show on Friday, June 6, 2014 in New York. (Photo by Charles Sykes/Invision/AP)
Carole King, left, and Sara Bareilles speak on stage at the 56th annual GRAMMY Awards at Staples Center on Sunday, Jan. 26, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Matt Sayles/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles performs “Brave” on stage at the 40th annual People's Choice Awards at the Nokia Theatre L.A. Live on Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 53rd annual Grammy Awards on Sunday, Feb. 13, 2011, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Chris Pizzello)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 56th annual GRAMMY Awards at Staples Center on Sunday, Jan. 26, 2014, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Sara Bareilles arrives at the 51st Annual Grammy Awards on Sunday, Feb. 8, 2009, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Chris Pizzello)
WTOP's Jason Fraley talks 'Waitress' with Sara Bareilles (Jason Fraley)

WASHINGTON — In 2007, Sara Bareilles told her record label, “I’m not gonna write you a love song,” but when she was asked to pen a Broadway musical in 2013, she leapt at the chance.

“I had left Los Angeles, my home of 14 years, I had just moved to New York City, I didn’t really know many people, and I was having a mini midlife crisis,” Bareilles told WTOP. “Everything about my life was in major flux. I said yes to this project almost as an experiment. I didn’t really even think I could do it. … I want to give a lot of credit to my wonderful collaborators in crafting the seeds of these ideas so I could go to my cave and start writing songs about it.”

The result was “Waitress,” a Tony-nominated smash on Broadway before launching a national tour that’s currently rocking National Theatre (May 15-June 3). Based on the 2007 film by Adrienne Shelly and adapted by Jessie Nelson (book) and Bareilles (music, lyrics), the story follows Jenna, a small-town waitress and expert pie maker who’s stuck in a loveless marriage until a baking contest and unexpected romance with the town doctor offer her a fresh start.

“We were working mainly just from the script at first from the movie, but when I met Jessie, (we) became fast friends,” Bareilles said. “It was one of those soul-mate relationships where I met her like, ‘Oh! I feel like I’ve known you my entire life!’ We worked really well together. One of the things I’m most proud of is I feel like the dialogue and songs really speak to each other. It’s not one of those shows where you’re like, ‘I see a song coming. Here comes the song.’ We worked very hard to make the scenes support the song, and the songs support the scene.”

This is evident right out of the gate, as “Opening Up” works on multiple levels: (a) opening up the show, (b) opening up the restaurant, and (c) opening up the protagonist’s emotional arc.

“I wanted to set a tone,” Bareilles said. “I wanted it to have energy and lots of room for lots of voices to sing because we have a big ensemble. … Actually, fun fact: I rewrote the opening number probably about 30 times! We had such a hard time cracking (it). The day that we finally got it, oh my god, I almost burst into tears. … We were days before opening and kept changing the song over and over and over again. … It was so intense to get to the end result.”

That lends a little irony to the song’s lyric “some things never change.”

“Some things only change!” Bareilles joked. “Our Broadway cast learned so many different versions of that song that they wanted to murder me by the end. … The whole chorus — ‘Hello, how ya been? Thank you, come again’ — that all got added late in the game. I was sitting in the back room in our theater, we were in rehearsals just days or weeks before opening for preview audiences, and I finally wrote a new section and everything clicked.”

From there, the show offers intermittent daydreams where time stops for metaphorical imagery, stirring a sexy dress into a mixing bowl as Jenna nervously awaits a pregnancy test.

“The ‘sugar, butter, flour’ loop came really early,” she said. “These little vignettes are us going into her mind, her little dream state. … The illustrations came from our choreographer Lorin Latarro, who read an article in The New York Times about the importance of daydreaming, how it keeps our creative minds vibrant and alive. She’s like, ‘What if we watch her actually daydream and we watch them come to life?’ They’re really effective moments in the show.”

Not only is the show symbolic, it’s also wonderfully silly. This is especially true in the role of Ogie, who provides comic relief as the eccentric love interest of Jenna’s shy coworker Dawn.

“He’s just a sweet, kind, earnest weirdo that you just fall in love with,” Bareilles said. “He’s a total showstopper. … That’s all Jessie Nelson. She came up with the adorable conceit that they were Revolutionary War fanatics, which is really funny!”

While Ogie’s number “Never Ever Getting Rid of Me” makes us cry laughing, Jenna belts the tear-jerking ballad “She Used to Be Mine,” filled with nostalgic, introspective lyrics: “She is messy, but she’s kind / She is lonely most of the time / She is all of this mixed up and baked in a beautiful pie / She is gone, but she used to be mine.”

“That was actually the first song I wrote,” Bareilles said. “I was really struck with this idea that we all become a different version of the person we thought we would be. It’s reconciling who did you think you’d grow up and become, then when you look in the mirror, what do you see? … I was dealing with that in my own life and channeling it through Jenna. That demo came out first thing. It didn’t change at all. I didn’t rewrite that song 30 times like the opening number.”

She hopes the number will inspire others who might feel trapped like Jenna.

“I was lucky enough to be in the role on Broadway twice and one of the traditions of Broadway is old-fashioned fan mail,” she said. “[I got] letter after letter from people who were transformed or transfixed by the story and changed in some way. It was really overwhelming. I remember one day I was responding … and I was just in my dressing room weeping from the generosity of these fans who are so honest and so beautifully connected to the material.”

She recently met these fans in person for “Cast Album Karaoke” at National Theatre, as D.C. audience members were invited up on stage after the show to sing with Bareilles on May 25.

“It was one of my favorite things,” Bareilles said. “Once a month we do ‘Cast Album Karaoke,’ where audience members get called up and get to sing songs from the show with the actual ‘Waitress’ band. … It’s so magical. Sometimes you get people who have never been on stage before and aren’t real singers, and sometimes you get people who bring the house down.”

You can participate in the next “Cast Album Karaoke” on June 1. Bareilles will be in New York prepping to host the Tonys, but you can sing along with the talented cast, led by Desi Oakley.

“What we tried to do with this show is make something that had a lot of heart,” Bareilles said. “Especially right now in the world, it’s so nice to see a show that’s about relationships, good people making mistakes, doing the best they can. … It really was built with a lot of love.”

That and a little sugar, butter and flour.

Find more details on the National Theatre website. Hear our full chat with Sara Bareilles below:

WTOP's Jason Fraley chats with Sara Bareilles (Full Interview) (Jason Fraley)
Jason Fraley

Hailed by The Washington Post for “his savantlike ability to name every Best Picture winner in history," Jason Fraley began at WTOP as Morning Drive Writer in 2008, film critic in 2011 and Entertainment Editor in 2014, providing daily arts coverage on-air and online.

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